I thought i would ask that question as things are changing so quick for us in the real world these days and i don't know about you but i cannot get used to it.
TAKE THIS FOR EXAMPLE..............
A sour taste: Milk delivery giant turns its back on loyal customers - because they don't have the internet.
For nearly 60 years, Joan Watts had her milk delivered to her doorstep. As many Britons have done for decades, she ordered by leaving a note with the empty bottles and paid the milkman, in earlier years in cash, then later by direct debit.
But great-grandmother Joan, 90, is now one of thousands of older people whose milk delivery has been abruptly cancelled.
Customers of Milk & More, which is the biggest milk delivery service in the UK and serves around half a million households, have been told they must place all orders online and pay by debit or credit card using a website or smart phone app.
From April 24, anyone who isn't able or willing to use the internet will have their deliveries stopped.
The move has triggered an angry reaction from elderly customers who feel they have been abandoned by an 'ageist' policy.
'I was happy to pay by direct debit but they said they won't allow it any more,' says Joan, who is widowed.
'I had to cancel because I can't use a computer and I worry about banking online because of scams.'
Although around one in five Milk & More customers buy their goods without the internet, the company made several attempts to change this since it was taken over by German dairy giant Muller in 2015.
In 2019, the firm announced it was banning payments by cash or cheque from January 2020. It still allowed customers to pay monthly by direct debit or by card over the phone — but raised prices by 4p per pint for offline customers.
Last September, it ran a trial in Essex of the new system which it said was 'really successful', with the 'vast majority of customers' moving online. But it wasn't successful for everyone and Joan, who lives in Essex, was just one of the people left behind.
After next week, all customers nationwide will need to move online or their deliveries will be cancelled.
One Milk & More milkman, who had been serving the same area for 38 years, told his customers he was 'devastated' by the decision and extremely concerned for the vulnerable and isolated elderly.
Jean and John Salt will get their milk delivered for the last time next week, exactly 50 years since they got their first delivery on their wedding day. The pair, from Bexleyheath, Kent, have a computer but don't feel comfortable ordering milk online. With no other delivery services in their area, they must cancel. Jean, 78, says: 'We have always had milk delivered ever since we got married. 'It was lovely as our milkman knew everyone and would look out for people. 'Now we will have to buy milk from the supermarket. We are one of the lucky ones as we have a car. 'It's very unfair on people who don't have a computer and it seems to be the way the world is going now.'
With more than two million over-75s in England unable to use the internet, campaigners said this is another example of elderly people left without access to essential services.
It is essential that those who cannot or do not want to use the internet are not excluded or not disadvantaged as a result,' says Caroline Abrahams, charity director at Age UK.
In the 1970s, around 99 per cent of milk was delivered to the doorstep, but this dwindled to just 3 per cent before the pandemic.
Before Covid-19, around 527,000 customers had milk delivered but this soared to 716,000 during 2020 and has since settled at 672,000, according to market analysts Kantar.
Milk & More has signed up 175,000 new customers in the past two years, driven both by lock down and demand from eco-conscious shoppers who want reusable glass bottles.
The company confirmed to Money Mail the move to online-only was about 'cost-effectiveness', as it is more expensive to process direct debits.
It said it was providing help for customers to get online, but Money Mail found its instructions are only helpful if you already own a computer or a smartphone and understand the internet.
A Milk & More spokesman says the company 'invested in our business, to transform it from one that has been in decline for more than 40 years to one that is in growth'.
Online custom 'turned the business around' and stopping offline orders and payments would 'protect the jobs of hundreds of milkmen, milk women and small suppliers.
'We understand not everyone will agree with our decision and we appreciate there will be people who can't or don't want to make the change.
'In these cases, we are very willing to help them, where possible, find an alternative supplier,' he adds.
OR HOW ABOUT THIS ONE FOR THE PUB GOERS........
Older drinkers without smartphones ‘at risk of discrimination in pubs’
Older drinkers are at risk of being discriminated against for not having smartphones to order food and drinks at pubs and restaurants, a charity has warned.
As lock down restrictions eased in England some pubs are asking punters to order beverages through an online app in order to minimize contact with staff.
Older people charity Age UK said the measure rules out half of those aged 65 to 74 and 70% of the over-75s because they do not use a smartphone.
One such person is widower David Walters, 78, who told the Telegraph the policy was “ageist” after he was denied service at The Angel of Corbridge pub in Northumberland.
He claimed he was told by staff that customers had to use an app to order and submit contact details to NHS Test and Trace.
He told the newspaper: “I just thought it was terrible. Older people like me don’t have this computer knowledge because we weren’t brought up with computers.”
Official Government guidance states venues should ensure there is a way for an individual to provide their contact details “if they do not own a smartphone or have access to digital routes”, and suggests paper records.
It says: “You must make sure that there is a method of checking in that does not rely on the customer using a smartphone or other technology in order not to digitally exclude people without access to these technologies.”
Pub owner Kevin Laing said the app was a temporary measure until indoor hospitality is set to return on May 17, and that he and his staff were “just doing the best we could at the time, and following the advice and guidelines to try and keep guests and staff safe”.
He told the Telegraph: “I’m not discriminating against elderly people or young people, it just seems that if people haven’t got a smartphone then it doesn’t suit them.”
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I will repeat something that I have stated frequently and regularly.
I can pick up a stone tablet, written 2000 years ago in ancient Rome and read it (I can also translate it as I am pretty good at Latin). I can look at scrolls and other written materials from 1000 years ago.
I have boxes of 8", 5.25" and 3.5" floppy disks, TK50 and 12" magnetic tapes. I cannot read them as I do not have a floppy drive or tape drive. Even if I did have a drive I probably would not be able to read what was on them as the machines have changed, software is incompatible and translation is lost.
I have an e-reader that holds thousands of novels. However, I have to ensure that it is charged so that I can read a book. If I take it on holiday (it is wonderfully portable) I have to ensure that I take the charger with me, otherwise it would die on me just as the inspector is about to name the suspect.
In practice, I would rather pick up a leather bound copy of The Canterbury Tales, Beowulf or Hydriotaphia, Urn Burial and enjoy the fact that, although written several hundred years ago, I can still read them.
Yes @Happygirl, but where hubby works (private school) they go back today.
Yes @Happygirl the ones that rely on technology will suffer!
I have been making comments about 'those without technology' for years (even on this forum).
There really is no issue with having milk ordered by putting a note in the bottle or having the driver collect cash (but it does take longer). It would never be a problem if only a few customers on a single round did this. However, if everyone wanted it there would be cost implications for the company.
Digital ID/COVID is more of a problem. Pubs/shops already ask for proof of age for certain products. People carry passport/driving license and other forms of paper identification, so paper copies woule not be an issue.
This is crazy, I'm good with technology and adapt quickly to new things about it, BUT it still makes me angry that everything has to "change" first don't use mobiles to much cos they can cause damage, then use your mobile for everything! We'll change in to zombies served by robots. That's the way we're going, C19 came to destroy us, the remaining ppl will be zombified, and a small percentage will remain human!
I am sorry to say that i am one of the old fashioned among you, who loathes change of any sort.
My son gave me his old smartphone but i was too scared to use it and so Hubby has it now, and also it is a bit like my Tablet that my son brought me for Christmas 3 Christmas's ago, it is still in the box as i just lack the confidence to have a go with it.
It is a wonder that i can use the internet and down load pictures, but my lovely hubby taught me that from Canada, he used to make me a video step by step how to do things and SLOWLY, very slowly i learnt how to do it.
BUT i am in no hurry to get a smartphone,i call them 'slidy phones' as i see people sliding their fingers across the screens ha ha.
I just do not think i would be able to manage without push buttons, i LOVE my push button mobile.
Also one of our Dr's got quite shitty with me on the telephone about 2 months ago as i have a black mole coming on my face and thought it best to have it looked at, she said for me to take a picture and send it to her, where upon i told her i didn't have one of those phones and she got quite rude saying....Oh well i had better take a look then myself, THAT IS HER JOB if i am not being confused!
However, i understand that, progress is progress, but it seems so unfair to some of the people who cannot get along with this progress.
Ina way, i am glad i am at the age i am, as i don't think i would like how the way the world is going.
Sorry if i sound a bit fed up,i just think technology is going a bit too fast for us to understand the whole implications of it.
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